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What I Learned Watching Matt Fradd Interview Jimmy Akin
My second study session taught me less than the first one. That was not a failure. It helped me distinguish between practices I already use, one simple audience offer I had overlooked, and the kinds of hosts I need to study next.
Not every interview I study will produce a breakthrough. Sometimes the useful discovery is that a skilled host is doing several things I already know how to do—and that my bigger gap may be audience strategy, guest selection, or consistency.
I began with an older Matt Fradd interview, then switched to a more recent conversation with Jimmy Akin. I was looking for what an established virtual host does at the beginning, how he handles the awkwardness of remote conversation, and what makes the show feel established even without an elaborate physical set.
What stood out to me
- an ad read may be easier to remember when I do it while the guest is still present;
- a guest’s work can create a stronger opening than generic banter;
- a small mistake can become rapport if I acknowledge it, relate, and move on;
- early access is a simple membership benefit that does not require inventing a second content machine; and
- my next studies should include smaller hosts who book guests far above their apparent reach.
The Question I Brought to the Session
I wanted to know what a successful virtual interviewer was doing that I was not. I’ve hosted more than 600 remote conversations, but I still have a small audience. That makes it easy to confuse interviewing skill with distribution, guest recognition, packaging, or the accumulated trust of a larger show.
The point of this project is to separate those variables as honestly as I can. I’m not watching to imitate every move. I’m watching to identify which decisions I can test.
Let the Guest Hear the Ad Read
In the older interview, the guest was present for the ad read. I have sometimes avoided making a guest sit through that part, but then I risk forgetting to record it. The simple operational lesson is that doing the ad while the guest is already connected may be more reliable—and it gives the guest context for the finished episode.
Not every lesson is about charisma. A better hosting system also removes preventable production mistakes.
Use the Guest’s Work as the Springboard
The strongest opening I observed came when Matt referred to the guest’s work, explained his own connection to it, and used that connection to launch the subject. It was flattering without feeling ceremonial because it immediately created somewhere for the conversation to go.
This is stronger than praise by itself. The structure is: I engaged with something you made; here is what it did for me; here is the question it raised. That opening demonstrates preparation, gives the guest something specific to respond to, and tells the viewer why the conversation matters.
Recover, Relate, and Move On
When the show name was said incorrectly, the recovery did not become a long apology. The mistake was acknowledged, connected to a similar experience, turned into a small joke, and left behind.
I recognized this because it is already one of my strengths. Virtual interviews create plenty of tiny awkward moments. A host does not need to pretend they did not happen; the host needs to keep the guest comfortable and prevent the mistake from swallowing the conversation.
Make Membership Value Easy to Deliver
The clearest new idea was the simplicity of offering members episodes a week early, access to a live recording, or an opportunity to submit questions. Those benefits use work the show is already doing instead of requiring an entirely separate stream of bonus content.
I do not yet know what audience size would make a paid community sensible for me. But the principle is useful now: a good membership benefit can be valuable to a supporter and operationally light for the creator.
What It Means When I Learn Less
I ended this session feeling that most of what I noticed—natural banter, opening through the guest’s work, recovering from a mistake—was already part of my toolkit. I learned much more from the first video.
That result keeps the project honest. If I force every session into ten “game-changing” lessons, I stop studying and start manufacturing content. Some interviews will introduce new techniques. Others will confirm that the craft is sound and point me toward a different problem.
The Next Hosts I Need to Study
I want to compare two ends of the field. First, I want to study highly experienced virtual hosts whose shows grew substantially. Second, I want to find smaller creators who appear to be punching above their weight—hosts with modest audiences who still book unusually strong guests.
The first group can teach me refined craft and audience systems. The second may reveal more about outreach, positioning, community, and how an interview opportunity gets created before the cameras turn on. Both are necessary if I want to understand not only how to conduct a podcast, but how to build one people can find.
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What I Learned Watching Matt Fradd Interview Jimmy Akin
Timmy Bauer
0:00Okay, I did this a week ago and I pulled five really actionable insights from it. I'm going to do it again today, and I was not expecting 100 people to watch that video or at least click on the video. So that was kind of cool. And I promise I'm not just going to focus on Matt Fred. It's just that I was like, all right.
0:18Now I'm curious what it sounds like when the shoes on the other foot, what if he is the person doing the virtual interview? So for anybody watching this, basically what I'm doing is I'm watching virtual interviews so that I can try to become a better virtual podcaster. Most of the podcast episodes that I host are virtual, so I want to watch people that I admire that do virtual interviews.
0:40I want to watch them either being a guest, like, yeah, basically I want to watch one or the other. It's either somebody that I don't know that well, was able to do a virtual interview with somebody that I admire. So what, like what is that host doing that I'm not doing that I should be doing? Or in this case, it's like person that I admire is the one doing the virtual interview.
1:01I don't actually care about Dave Rubin. I'm not like a fan of Dave Rubin. I don't like him. But I'm gonna listen to this because I. I want to hear what maybe I should say. I don't like him. I'm not a fan. Yeah, there's plenty of things that I don't like about him. Yeah. There's a very specific things that I strongly disagree with about him.
1:23But anyways, the point of this is not politics. The point of this is I just want to listen to virtual interviews and hear what is the interviewer doing? Like what are the first questions he's asking? Or I'm just looking for, what is this person doing that's making people want to watch these virtual interviews? That I'm not doing.
1:43And so I don't plan on making this one for very long. I just kind of want to hear now, Matt, Fred and Matt, Brad, even at this point, which is like five years ago, I clicked on this one because I think this is at least when I was scrolling, when I scroll through, when I go to his oldest videos and I scroll all the way through.
2:02So this one is with Dave Rubin. So it's their free speech and cancel culture with Dave Rubin has a 217. So he's done 217 already at this point in his life. This was in 2020. But I went here because he was doing in person's at his like dining room table before this. And then he switched to virtual. And this was the first higher profile guest that I saw him interview after he switched to virtual, probably because of Covid.
2:32And so yeah, I just want to hear what he's doing. So let's see if this is the beginning.
Dave Rubin
2:37Is because we're half ghost town. You can't tell what's going to happen.
Matt Fradd
2:41Having up after the livestream. Hello, Fred. You can get access to the entire thing for. Advertise like that.
Timmy Bauer
2:49And at first.
Matt Fradd
2:50All right, let's bring on the man himself, David Rubin. How are you?
Timmy Bauer
2:56The thing is, he's interviewing somebody who's famous. So I would imagine not going to be much of an intro because person's already famous.
Dave Rubin
3:05Good to be with you. You are a professional podcaster with that.
Timmy Bauer
3:09Also, he's probably got a very limited time slot with this person.
Dave Rubin
3:13That ad read.
Matt Fradd
3:14Thank you.
Dave Rubin
3:14Completely comfortable.
Timmy Bauer
3:16Okay. That's good. The guest listened to him give the ad read, I've thought about that before. Like, do I make my guest sit through me doing an ad read? It's probably not a bad idea. Because a lot of times if I don't do it, I'm gonna forget to do it.
Dave Rubin
3:33I know you know how to host the show. I'm a little overdressed. I suppose you're in the t shirt. I should have done the t shirt, but I had a team meeting with my guys today. I felt that I had to, you know, you have to dress up a certain way. Otherwise it's just chaos with these people.
Matt Fradd
3:46It's tough, isn't it? People talk about dressing for success, and I know that there's merit to that. I just couldn't be.
Timmy Bauer
3:51A little bit of banter here.
Matt Fradd
3:54Bothered. Especially because I'm self-employed. You're self-employed. I'm like, who are we trying to bloody impress? But I, I see the merit in it for sure.
Dave Rubin
4:01There's definitely some merit in man.
Timmy Bauer
4:04This show pints with Aquinas he used to have this is not related to hosting. He used to have this really awesome piece of merch like everybody else is just like a plain coffee mug with like their brand on it. And somehow Matt did this custom beer stein style mug with pints with Aquinas on the front of it. It just makes you want one.
4:25And then you would say, like, basically, if you sign up for a year to his Patreon, it wasn't Patreon, it was something else. If you sign up for a year to his Patreon, they'll send you the mug. And a lot of other people do that model. But what I love about it is his. That's a mug you actually want.
4:43Like. And if you're Catholic, I'm not Catholic, but if you're Catholic, you're obsessed with Aquinas. Like, basically, the entire Catholic Church's theology is heavily based on Aquinas. So yeah, that's another thing.
Dave Rubin
4:58Putting on some clothes when you're at work. I'm actually.
Matt Fradd
5:01No pants, though. Oh.
Dave Rubin
5:03I'm wearing pants right now. You know, a lot of times when I do Fox hits or when I'm doing even my interviews now, now that everything is mostly remote, where I'm usually usually wearing shorts or a bathing suit or something.
Timmy Bauer
5:14I sometimes do this with a guest where, like, something about their appearance is the first thing we start talking about or something, or like their studio or something like that. This was really common during Covid times. Like you jump on a call with somebody and you're like, already recording and you just start talking about like, where are you located?
5:31And like what? You know, I noticed this about your office, or I noticed this about your clothes. I'm not sure how good this is to do right now any anymore, but maybe if you're talking to somebody famous because people just generally care about the choices of people that are famous, then.
Dave Rubin
5:48But I am actually wearing yes. No shoes. Look, I got no shoes on.
Matt Fradd
5:53So how close are you to the beach?
Timmy Bauer
5:57Yeah. This is so cold. Well, this is so cool. Good time. LA traffic.
Dave Rubin
6:01Bananas all the time these days, because we're half ghost town. You can't tell what's going to happen when you get in your car if there's going to.
Timmy Bauer
6:08Be any. Like if you're listening to this on the in the car. Right. I don't think you want to hear all of this.
Dave Rubin
6:14Went on the streets or not, but roughly about 20 minutes, something like that.
Timmy Bauer
6:18Unless you really care. Like if the guest is famous and you really care about the guests, maybe, I don't know. I feel like Joe Rogan does this. Like every single guest shouldn't copy what Joe Rogan does. I'm still trying to figure this is episode two of me doing this. It's way too early for me to figure out what's common and what's typical.
6:36I know for me as a listener, if I care about both people that I'm listening to, I'm down. I'm down to hear 2 or 3 minutes of this.
Matt Fradd
6:45Oh, yeah, that's not bad. I was just telling you off air. I was at in Orange County for the week. Had a lovely time. It was just nice to go somewhere and do something other than stay in my home and record YouTube videos. And of course. But I was telling you, the mask culture is very different over there than to here.
7:00I mean, my wife and I were on the beach and people were running on the beach with masks on, and good for them. That's what they want to do.
Timmy Bauer
7:05Is, man, this is a blast from the past. Just like this is what everybody was talking about during Covid times.
Matt Fradd
7:12Especially if maybe they have a health condition, I don't know, but it was definitely different, I'll tell you that.
Dave Rubin
7:16Yeah. Well, the funny thing about that is that OC, Orange County, that's a little.
Timmy Bauer
7:21Bit.
7:21A kind of like I'm already now.
7:23Feeling the desired.
Dave Rubin
7:25In California. So you'd think it would be a little bit better on the personal liberty side or, you know, as you said, people can do whatever they want and they might have health issues and everything else. But, you know, just.
Timmy Bauer
7:34Like I'm I want to skip, but I want to hear how he goes from this is all now very skippable to me. I want to hear how he goes from this into like, what are they actually going to talk about.
Dave Rubin
7:45Here in LA? It's like, if I'm walking my dog, I do not wear a mask. I am a relatively young, healthy person. I don't, you know, go two feet next to the guy that's walking his dog. Although sometimes we do let the dog sniff butts. Yeah.
Timmy Bauer
7:59But but maybe if it was still Covid times and I was listening to this, I would listen all the way through this because again, like, what do you do when everyone around you is wearing a mask and you think it's a bunch of nonsense, was top of mind for everybody that thought that masking up only to take it off once you get to your table was just a humiliation ritual that the government was forcing us all to do.
Dave Rubin
8:25But but, you know, if you're relatively young and healthy and you're walking down the street, you do not need to be wearing a mask.
Timmy Bauer
8:31LA and the studies all came out that basically like it didn't it didn't actually do anything.
Dave Rubin
8:37It's 85 and sunny every day. Like the idea that you're going to walk around with this thing on you. Yes. If you go to a store and their policy is mask, well, you may not be into it, but you got to follow their policy. But we have gone a little crazy with some of this stuff.
Matt Fradd
8:52Hey, I got you a book recently. I got it.
Timmy Bauer
8:54All right into the content. Hey, I got your book. That's one way to go right into the content.
Matt Fradd
9:01On don't like this book? Well, I'm only a couple of chapters into it, but you know, what I love about it is that you write how you speak. And so it's very engaging rhetorically. What do you say? Kind of rigorous, not just not rigorous, but kind of.
Timmy Bauer
9:15Like he's shouting into the microphone, which was a thing that everybody did when they switched to virtual. I, I think it sounds bad, like I found myself doing it. You don't tend to do it. If you just put the guest in your ear, you put the guest in your ear, and you're not going to feel the temptation to shout, shout to the guest.
Matt Fradd
9:37Like energetic. It's very energetic. So I like it.
Dave Rubin
9:40Yeah, well, thanks. So I did feel.
Timmy Bauer
9:44Like Matt does have the guest in his ear, but it's just something that when we all when everybody did switch to virtual, a lot of people, especially Jordan Peterson, Jordan Peterson just shouts. But a lot of people, a lot of people would shout at the guest into the microphone, and you don't need to. It's better if you just sound like you're talking.
10:02I'm probably talking too low right now because I don't know. But normally I when I do these interviews, I got a microphone here and I talk relatively like how you would, if you're having a conversation.
Dave Rubin
10:14Should write it the way that I speak. So, you know.
Matt Fradd
10:17I think.
Timmy Bauer
10:17Like I host a show called Writing Better and I interviewed ghostwriters on that show. And this is not related to being a virtual interviewer, but that's like there's two mistakes that every that non writers make. If they go to write a nonfiction book, one of them is they don't write how they speak. The other one is they don't tell compelling enough stories.
Dave Rubin
10:42A lot. And I think, I think I say literally people always say, Dave, you always say literally. I think there's a couple literally in there.
Matt Fradd
10:48Why is why did you make it out for Ben Affleck?
Dave Rubin
10:51I see you haven't gotten that far yet.
Matt Fradd
10:54No I haven't.
Dave Rubin
10:56The reason.
Matt Fradd
10:56It's I think I can guess, yeah.
Dave Rubin
10:58I recount one of several stories that were really the key moments in my political awakening.
Timmy Bauer
11:06I will say in a virtual interview, it is hard to talk over each other and for it to feel natural. Unlike when you're in person with somebody, for some reason, it's so much easier and more natural to do it where you're not. It's because there's like a couple second delay. And so when you're with somebody and you're facing them and you're talking to them, you open your mouth like you want to say something.
11:29If you throw something out there, they're just going to hear it immediately. And but for here, it's one of those other things we often shout when we want to throw something in to what the other person is saying, and that little bit of delay can cause a little bit of awkwardness.
Dave Rubin
11:46And one of them was the very famous viral moment, which I'm sure most of your audience has seen. It's been seen millions and millions of times on YouTube, where Ben Affleck was a guest on Real Time with Bill Maher and Sam Harris. The famous atheist was on as well, and Sam was doing the protected interview. That's when you're not part of the panel, the three person panel.
12:06You're on the same side of the desk as Bill. You're supposed to get a one on one interview. They started talking about inner peace. Actually. They were talking about meditation and mindfulness. Sam was promoting his book called Waking Up A Guide to Spirituality Without Religion. And somehow they started talking about religion. Thus they got into Islam and radical Islam particularly.
12:28And Affleck started just screaming and getting angry. And the famous line he called Bill Maher and Sam Harris gross and racist, even though they said nothing. That was gross and racist. Also, Islam is a religion, not a race. But putting that aside, it was a perfect wake up moment for me because I had been having all these issues with the lefties and what was going on.
Timmy Bauer
12:48It's just finally going to get.
Dave Rubin
12:49At the.
Timmy Bauer
12:49Time I was on.
Dave Rubin
12:50The Young Turks network, but there was always this overly emotional reaction to if you discussed anything that they didn't want you to discuss, you were a big and a racist, a homophobe, you know, the litany of things that you could be. And when I saw Affleck doing it and he was red in the face and, you know, he was jacked because he was about to be Batman.
13:09And I just saw it was like watching this A-list actor perfectly act out the overly emotional craziness that I had been seeing from from the progressives. And to launch an attack like that not on a scary conservative or a scary religious person, but on Bill Maher, who's the biggest lefty we've got in America, and Sam Harris, who's a mild mannered neuroscientist who I didn't even know who he was until that night until seeing it.
13:35That was the first time I had ever seen him speak or even heard of him. I think to watch that reaction to those guys who was like, oh, you guys really do eat your own and you don't want to honestly discuss complex issues. And that was one of the couple wake up calls that I that I note in the book.
13:52So I credit Affleck because if it wasn't for his overly emotional tirade, I may not be here today.
Matt Fradd
13:59Gosh, that's really interesting. I didn't know that. I mean, I had seen that video on on Bill Maher and I felt really sorry for him. I'm like, oh my gosh, this guy's just emotional. There's there's really no logic.
Timmy Bauer
14:08Well, I will say this. They are talking about a big moment that happened in culture. Probably if you're on the left, you did. You completely ignored it. You didn't even pay attention to it because it was just one of a thousand times when someone shouted someone else down for saying something. I don't even barely remember it. But if you were on the right, it was something that people were talking about because it was ridiculous.
14:28Or at least it seemed ridiculous. I don't want to get to political here, but they are talking about a moment that happened in culture really early in the podcast, which is good. I don't know how much I'm going to gain from this. I wonder if I skip to the end and just see how they end it. What do I want to know?
14:50The point of this is just to observe and see what I can pull from.
Matt Fradd
14:54Because, you know. And but would you consider yourself? You seem like a mild mannered folk yourself and bloke yourself. Not folk bloke. That means guy. Did you were you like that? I mean, did you get really kind of heated and emotional? I'm not saying that's the thing that only the left do. Obviously people on the right get like that as well.
Dave Rubin
15:10But yeah, no, it's a good question because it does seem now to be more of a condition of the left, that of course emotional and, you know, your rush to judgment and passion isn't a right or left thing, but it does seem that the lefties these days are much quicker to get angry, hostile, call you all the worst things in the world while people on the right, broadly speaking, you know they you say an opinion that they don't like.
15:37They'll usually talk about it with you.
Timmy Bauer
15:39I'm just going to skip ahead to something and just see where where the conversations at.
Matt Fradd
15:44The, the left, Hollywood, whatever you want to kind of cool it. Like the new kind of religious dogma. It's almost like like Hollywood and big tech companies, etc. have become what people accused Christians of being in the 50s.
Timmy Bauer
15:59Or Matt, like Matt, I think is an excellent interviewer. And I bet if I were to skip, I bet if he's done a virtual interview nowadays, maybe that's what I should do. I don't feel like I'm getting anything from this. I should probably just skip ahead to something better. Let me pause. Find something better.
16:22Okay. Yep. Here's okay. This. This one was from four years ago. So this one is newer and he's probably not. Oh I noticed he's got in years. That's great. Probably not going to shout into a microphone this time. And I'm just curious. So this is well into or past. This is well beyond Covid. And so yeah let's see let's hear it.
Matt Fradd
16:49Two pints.
Timmy Bauer
16:50With and he's interviewing somebody that is niche famous. So in the world of like Catholic YouTube the person he's interviewing super superstar. Outside of that nobody's probably heard of him.
Matt Fradd
17:02Quintus. My name is Matt. Fred. One of the things we're going to be doing from here on in is whenever I host an interview, be it virtually or across the table, it's going to be released to my supporters, on locals or Patreon a week before everybody else.
Timmy Bauer
17:18I like this model of having a Patreon community. You just make your content available a week earlier for everybody that's subscribed and paying you. It's something. What I like about it is you. I think it, I think you have to have a sizable audience for it to work, because there needs to be enough people that would care to just they love your content so much that they want to get it earlier.
17:46I know there's a lot of things that would be more compelling to me than that, but from a workflow perspective, it's like the easiest thing to execute. So yeah, because all you do is you make your YouTube video unlisted, schedule it to go live a week later, and then on that day that you've posted it, unlisted it, and scheduled it, you put the link into your Patreon community.
18:12So workflow wise, it's so easy to do, but I wonder how much audience you have to have for this to make sense. Like for me, I have almost no audience, so like. But I guess if you're just trying to launch a Patreon, it's like and you're just looking for like, what can I do for these people? This is the this is the no brainer.
18:33This is the easiest one. So, yeah, I wonder I wonder if it's worth I wonder if it's worth attempting. The thing is, I have almost I have almost zero audience. I have an audience with my kids channel, like I have 4000 subscribers on the kids channel. Would parents pay to get my content early? I don't think so.
18:55I just don't think if I was going to guess how much audience you have to have, it's probably 20 K, you probably have to have at least 20 K before this becomes compelling for enough people where you actually have Patreon subscribers for this. Now couple this with like a couple of other things, like like being able to ask guests questions that then you've added more work to your workflow because you gotta you got to have a guest schedule, you got to have that scheduled out.
19:26You got to be able to tell your Patreon community, I'm interviewing so-and-so on such and such date. What questions would you like to ask? So more workflow there. That and then the mug. The the flippin mug.
Matt Fradd
19:43Gets to see it just as a sort of thank you. So if you're watching this live, it's because you're a supporter. Thank you very much. If you'd like to be a supporter, feel free to click the links in the description below to locals or Patreon that you can watch it a week for everybody else. Watch it live and and ask questions today.
19:59I am so honored to have my good mate Jimmy Aiken on the show.
Timmy Bauer
20:04Now look at Jimmy Aiken. No, he still looks like this today. Nothing. He's not doing anything to make himself look good for the video. The lighting is bad. There's no studio. He's got, like, a towel or something behind his chair. If you. If it showed this direction. Because I've watched some of his videos, he's still in any video he posts.
20:29He still looks like this. Just a ton of tobacco pipes on this side. Just no, not trying. Doing nothing to look good. But the thing is, Jimmy Aiken is such a compelling, YouTuber in Catholic YouTube land. I watch a lot of different theological YouTube channels. So anyways, he's he's just he's a superstar. Like a niche superstar.
20:57Like, only if you're Catholic and you watch Catholic YouTube or if you're like me and you're just like a theology, you just like watching theological YouTube channels. Would you know who this person is?
Matt Fradd
21:08Good to have you.
Jimmy Akin
21:09Thank you. And it's my honor to be here.
Matt Fradd
21:13I was telling you before the show that my son and I listened to three back to back episodes of Jimmy Akin's Strange New World. And I'll be honest. I beg your pardon, I screwed.
Timmy Bauer
21:29That's so funny. I make these kind of mistakes, too, and it's just so embarrassing. Like you say, the title of the person. Like you're interviewing an author and you say the title of their book wrong, and you want to start over. But I know from a workflow perspective, I hate starting over. I hate thinking that I have to go in and edit something.
Matt Fradd
21:53Screwed that up. That's like when people say to me, pints for Aquinas. I'm like, come on, get the name right? Yeah.
Jimmy Akin
22:00As long as as long as people are listening.
Matt Fradd
22:03I, I watched my son took me to.
Timmy Bauer
22:06I can't tell if this is just Aiken's personality. No. No rapport between them. Like, I almost look at his eyes and I see, like, okay, buddy, you messed up my name on my podcast. Maybe I'm just reading into that.
Matt Fradd
22:20That new Spider-Man show the other day and your episodes.
Timmy Bauer
22:24But Matt recovered from that well by just, you know, relaying, relaying it to himself, making a joke, trying to trying to. Yeah. Trying to roll past it.
Matt Fradd
22:35Yeah. It's fun. It's okay. I was kind of bored. I thought, my point is, your episodes were literally way more gripping to me than those. And I'm just I'm so grateful for them because, you know, my son's a 13 year old boy. Questions about ghosts and aliens and things like this are fascinating to him. And so to have someone like you.
Timmy Bauer
22:53This is a great way to start up an episode. You just referenced the you referenced the guests work, talk about something that you related well to the work with something that would be valuable to the audience because it's valuable to you in some way, and it's about the guest work, and there's going to be a natural springboard for different things to talk about.
Matt Fradd
23:13Break these things down. At a few times he walked in. He's like.
23:16This guy's just so smart.
23:17And then, you know, so and then when you talk.
Timmy Bauer
23:22Back, look at his face. He won him back over.
Matt Fradd
23:25Look about the faith angle. It's never heavy handed. It doesn't feel like preaching. So you've just got this really brilliant dude discussing these very interesting things. And oh, by the way, he's.
Timmy Bauer
23:35I will say this. I think I'm going to end this here just because I don't want to make this another 40 minute long one. And I have observed several things. But the thing is, everything that I've observed is stuff that I'm already doing except for the Patreon thing. So the one thing that I'm not doing is I don't have a Patreon.
23:51I don't think I have enough of an audience to have a Patreon. But when I do, the easiest no brainer is you get you get all the episodes a week early. It's just the easiest one to execute. I'll just be looking for. I think that that could be something that I look at is like, I wonder if I try to find the next video.
24:12I try to find a YouTuber that has a low subscriber count, something like 20,000 subscribers, but they're interviewing somebody. That's where they're punching way above their weight. Because I'm curious to see how did they get that interview. And then I want to see what are they doing community wise, at 20,000 subscribers or even less? Maybe I find somebody with like a thousand subscribers.
24:39What is what are they doing community wise? I want to find someone with low audience. What are they doing community wise? And I want to see them punching above their weight with their guest and and maybe try to get some clues into how they got that guest and how and observe how they interview that guest. I think I'll do that next.
24:56And then I'll probably just flip flop between that and looking at like hyper experienced, virtual interviewers. Like, I know I'm going to do Modern Wisdom because, like, I watched him just skyrocket on YouTube over the last several years. And I know he's and he's an expert at virtual interviews. So many of his interviews were virtual before he switched to physical.
25:23So all right, I'll just cut it from here. I feel like I pointed out some things, but it's all stuff I'm already doing. I, I, I'm very good at. Like, if I embarrass myself by getting somebody's thing wrong, very good at recovering from that. Just make a joke. Make a joke, move on. Try to say something that's really flattering to your guest.
25:44I'll I'll end it here. But yeah, the project. What am I doing? I am spending X amount of time, I don't know, it's going to be a bunch, but I'm going to make a bunch of videos of me reacting to as a I am a podcast host that's done over 600 virtual interviewer interviews, but I still think there's so much I'm doing wrong, especially since I have barely any audience and I want to observe the best and see what they're doing so that I can incorporate it.
26:09I got much more insights from my last video than I did from this one, but that's just how this is going to go sometimes, and I'm really just doing this for me. Maybe one day someone else will find this valuable. I would imagine today nobody's finding this valuable except me. It's just like working out for me.